Brady Shearer: One of probably the most iconic houses of worship in human historical past just lately burned, leaving the world surprised and shocked on the loss of such a valuable artifact. Most American church buildings look nothing just like the Notre Dame Cathedral, but what if there’s one thing about that specific building that we will study from? At present we’ll speak about being intentional together with your church building and creating one thing to last.
Brady Shearer: Properly, hey there, and welcome to Professional Church Instruments, the show that helps you share the message of Jesus whereas navigating the most important communication shift in 500 years. I’m Brady Shearer, joined as all the time by our host, Alex Mills.
Alex Mills: Brady, I feel there’s something so vital about creating something that lasts. Perhaps you’ve been to an art museum, where there’s a set and installment of a very previous art. You simply stand in front of it and also you’re kinda just bowled over by it. How is this thing this previous? For me, it’s books. You’ve been to my house, you’ve seen my library. A lot of my books are previous, and typically I’ll – and I’m getting clear here. Not rather a lot of individuals know this about me. Typically I will sit in my research and take an previous e-book, and rather a lot of my previous books are so previous that I don’t truly learn from them. I’ll just maintain it, and typically I’ll odor it, as a result of there’s something so vital to me as a artistic myself about creating something that lasts. I take a look at these books and I say, okay. They have stood the check of time. Some of my books are 200 years previous. I’ve over 100 Bibles the place that textual content, these books themselves aren’t this previous, but the textual content inside these books is hundreds of years previous. The creation that’s inside of this stuff is so vital that it stood the check of time.
Brady Shearer: And it’s so vital to you that you simply need to hold it because it means one thing. We have been cleaning out my previous house this past week and you have been coming in and you have been like, “Oh yeah, maybe I’ll take this fan, and then I’ll take …” What did you’re taking?
Alex Mills: I took … I don’t know, some little things.
Brady Shearer: Oh yeah, some little things, but there were these previous books that got to me the yr before I went to Bible school. I went to a pastor’s home. He was in his 80s. And I went downstairs with my buddy Christian and he gave us all of his books from him being a pastor for like 60 years. And he’s like, “This can mean something to a Christian leader who’s going into training.” And I nonetheless have a ton of them. And also you saw them and also you have been like, “I will have these now.” And I stated, “You will have these now.”
Alex Mills: They mean rather a lot to me, and also you hit on it exactly. And that’s the rationale I don’t open lots of these books, as a result of I would like them to last. I would like them to proceed. And we … I grew up here in the Niagara region. Individuals come from everywhere in the world to go to Niagara and the lake, to see its historical past and to see the buildings, cause that is where the warfare of 1812 was fought and gained. So there’s all types of previous buildings and around the lake there’s previous army forts. But they’re solely a couple hundred years previous. The town was constructed down in 1812 and so nothing is lots older than that. That’s about 200 years.
Alex Mills: There’s a building in France, of course most of us realize it, the Cathedral of Notre Dame, or Notre Dame for our Frank roots here in Canada, however we’ll proceed …
Brady Shearer: We’re actually butchering the identify. We’ve talked about this before, what are we gonna say? We are Canadians, French Canadians. But we name it Notre Dame, but we don’t prefer it. Anyhow.
Alex Mills: So we’re gonna proceed saying Notre Dame from this point out. There was a tragic, and this occurred, as of this recording, this occurred yesterday, a tragic hearth at this cathedral the place, once I saw it burning on Twitter, I assumed nothing will last right here. This might be over. And I imply, miraculously quite a bit has been recovered and rather a lot of the artifacts have been saved, but this cathedral is so previous, and it’s one of probably the most spectacular spiritual artifacts of our time. Development for this cathedral started within the yr 1160. It was initially accomplished around 1260. So it’s been round for nearly 900 years, and so many people, Christians and non-Christians alike, travel to this cathedral every year. It’s estimated 20,000 tourists a day. See the cathedral of Notre Dame.
Alex Mills: And when it was burning and we have been watching it stay on Twitter, there was like this collective sense of mourning, of loss. Like I stated, from the Christian camp and nonreligious alike. We can all recognize that this was a piece of artwork, this was something particular, this church, this Catholic home of worship. There was something vital about it, and now it’s gone. And I heard any person say this as soon as about church buildings, because in case you take a look at lots of American or western church buildings, Protestant church buildings, they’re not likely constructed in the same approach that Catholic cathedrals are. There’s not an entire lot of ornate structure, what have you. And anyone proposed this hypothesis. It’s that Catholics don’t actively sit up for a literal rapture like some North American Protestants do, and so their buildings don’t mirror a gaggle of people who assume that Jesus is coming again anytime quickly.
Alex Mills: The hypothesis is that this, is that once they constructed a house of worship, they have been making an attempt to create something that may last. They have been making an attempt to create one thing with intention. And I feel regardless of who you’re listening to this podcast at present or watching this video, in the event you work in church or are involved in church, there’s something to glean from this, being intentional about what we do with our homes of worship. And chances are you’ll be considering at this point, but the church isn’t a constructing. The presence of God isn’t an in ark in a tabernacle anymore. You and I are the temple of God. We host the presence of God and we’re the stones that build the worldwide church. And yeah, of course, that’s true. But most of us happen to satisfy in church buildings on Sundays, and so we do have these buildings, and I feel there’s something vital about being intentional with our houses of worship.
Alex Mills: I learn this guide as soon as referred to as The Art of Curating Worship by Mark Pearson. And it’s geared towards worship leaders. And he makes this argument. He says this. He says, “I don’t like the phrase worship leader. I like the phrase worship curator. Because in the same way that a curator of an art installation would pay attention to everything that’s going on in that space, to have somebody have an encounter with that piece of art, I think we do the same thing as worship leaders.” And so we’ve taken that super literally at our church. Our church doesn’t appear to be a Catholic cathedral, however every thing about our church area and our home of worship is tremendous intentional, whether or not it’s the temperature or the paint colors that we choose or the art that we choose to put on the wall, or what we are saying, or what we sing. All the things is intentional as to point whoever’s meeting at our church in the direction of an encounter with God and attempt to remove hindrances that may stop them from having an encounter with God, and that’s what I feel we’re seeing as this cathedral has burned and will now be rebuilt, is that even for non-Christians, the intention of the architecture and the artwork that was housed inside of this cathedral have facilitated an encounter with the divine.
Alex Mills: I feel that’s one thing that we will all variety of recapture in our practices at church, whether you’re a preach or a worship leader or a graphic designer or a volunteer organizer. In every thing that we do, I feel there’s a chance to study one thing right here and employ a bit extra intention in what we’re doing, even when the building is worried, to create one thing that lasts.
Brady Shearer: So Alex, you have been the architect, forgive the pun, behind this episode of Pro Church Instruments. You’re like, “Hey, we should really do an episode on this.” And I at first was just a little bit resistant as a result of I’m the one that’s studying in this episode. I don’t have too much of substance to say of value. I keep in mind my spouse and I, when Brittney was pregnant with our first and solely youngster, we went to Chicago for the primary time. Chicago is house to the Natural Historical past Museum. Earth historical past, [inaudible 00:08:09] historical past. It’s like the perfect one. And the best way that I literally can’t say it is a reflection to my indifference, common indifference, in the direction of museums, in the direction of historical monuments. Once we go to places, it’s by no means on my record to do to see monuments or to see museums of natural history or regardless of the museum may be.
Brady Shearer: You and I are headed off to Barcelona in only a couple of weeks. We’ve obtained our tickets to La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona together with Park Guell. We are going to the Alhambra Palace in Grenada. These are the places which are some of probably the most regal cathedrals. You simply fascinated by it are internally salivating on the concept. We’re happening this strolling tour to the Gothic quarter. I know you’re simply gonna depart me and our wives. You’re gonna disappear and get misplaced into Barcelona and you’re gonna come back with 800 books. You’re gonna be like, “I live here now. I’ve rented that apartment. Sorry. See you later. I’m no longer a pastor. It’s just me and paella and Spanish architecture now.”
Brady Shearer: That is misplaced on me as a 28 yr previous. I feel it’s one thing that I’m going to appreciate extra as I grow old. I keep in mind my grandma, once we have been youthful, she would take me to artwork museums in Ontario. She would say, “Look, these are some of the best art that Canada’s ever produced.” And I was like, “This is the worst thing I’ve ever done, spending hours in this museum.” It’s misplaced on me. So it’s troublesome typically for me to quantify the significance or the benefit of one thing like this, which sounds, whilst I’m saying this, quite monstrous. What a horrible thing to say. However I keep in mind once I was a child, and I grew up Pentecostal, and so we might have these songs we’d sing like, “We’re standing on holy ground. I know that there are angels all around.”
Brady Shearer: Jonas’s behind the digital camera. Jonas is like, “Oh, I believe …” Jonas is up there [inaudible 00:10:08]. Jonas was leaning on the patch, my spouse was singing the music, Jonas’s dad was there with the acoustic and I’m at the alter going, “Yes Lord.” After which I keep in mind coming to some extent with my theology the place I was like, wait a minute. That doesn’t make sense to me. Especially as a result of we weren’t standing in some regal cathedral that’d been round for 200 years. This carpet’s means too purple for this to be holy ground. So I have problem reconciling those two issues as a result of my theology would state, whether or not you’re meeting in a cathedral that was inbuilt 1160, completed in 1260, that is one of probably the most iconic monuments of Christendom in human historical past, or you’re in a creating nation assembly in a basement underground and nobody knows you’re there and it’s by no means regal in any means.
Brady Shearer: Neither of these things matter, and yet there’s some benefit to a fantastic piece of artwork, whether that be an previous hymn that has so much weight to it because we’ve been singing it for hundreds of years, or a constructing that epitomizes a lot of our Christian religion for good and dangerous in its structure. So I don’t know what I must be doing.
Alex Mills: Nicely I feel there’s some solace for you because I don’t assume this appreciation is completely misplaced on you. As a result of perhaps, although you possibly can’t respect structure and books like I can, and certainly individuals listening are in the same camp. They’ll be like, “Alex, I don’t know what you’re doing smelling your books, but you need to figure your life out.” But you, Brady, I do know you nicely enough to know that you simply recognize and also you see God in music and in design, whether it’s print design or digital designers. All totally different sorts of parts of creation that you simply determine with as being aback by and seeing God in that I don’t. I feel that’s some extent here, is that especially within the western church, we think about educating individuals about God as music and a message on a Sunday morning. But I feel the whole lot that we do, we’ve been created by Creator to create. I say that on a regular basis and I feel that’s true of everybody. And we think about educating individuals about God in these two methods solely, however I feel that there are so many other things which are academics about who God is and what he’s like.
Alex Mills: Scott the Painter is one of my favourite artists, and I feel truly his art is what type of adorns the walls in our church, because he does some actually unimaginable stuff. He stated this about Notre Dame yesterday. He says, “Religious folks in America don’t really understand this because we build religious buildings for a teacher. We don’t build buildings to be a teacher. Cathedrals of Europe are the teachers. To a mostly illiterate culture, they help teach the concepts, wisdom, and stories of the scriptures through imagery, sculpture, and architecture.”
Alex Mills: So I feel that is the factor. And we say this initially of every episode. We’re serving to you to share the message of Jesus, and that’s just what we’re making an attempt to do. We’re all simply making an attempt to retell what we expect is the best story of all time. Now we do it by way of music and a message on Sunday mornings, however what if we might type of open up our options right here and think about that we will inform the story in so many various ways. We can inform it via art and structure and thru stained glass and thru music, and there are such a lot of methods and so many academics of who God is. I feel we do ourselves and the church a disservice if we simply scale back it to a message and some music. But when we might think about that every little thing has a chance to teach anyone one thing about God, perhaps we might be chargeable for creating something that hundreds flock to each single day to see and respect who don’t even consider in the God that we do.
Brady Shearer: Great thoughts from Alex as all the time. That’ll do it for this episode of Pro Church Tools. We’ll see you subsequent time.